murder, what were you thinking? >> i just knew everybody had it wrong. they didn't know him. like in high school, his mom fixed him lunches to carry to school in paper bags, you know. even then with the high school kids, they joked, what you got in the bag there, damien, a cat? he'd be, like, yeah, yeah. it would be peanut butter and jelly and an apple or soda, you know. it was a joke to the kids, you know, the look and everything, his personal dress and goth look and stuff. so to children it's fun, you know. but when the adults got in and the police and everything and they twisted it and gave it a sinister thing, it was just totally unrealistic. >> did either of you ever have suicidal thoughts? >> no. >> i think i probably did when i was young, teenage angst, you know, things you go through as a kid just because i was such a misfit in the community i lived in. >> but not after you were put in prison?